Ellen WINDEATT (1868-?)
married George Henry SMITH
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More | | Ellen WINDEATT=married 1892 George Henry SMITH |_________________________________________________________________________________________________+ a.n.other? | | | | | | | | | | George Henry Ellen John W.S. Tom Frederick J William A Charles Henry E Sarah E Jenny
WARNING: The tree above is has been put together from census information, baptismal records and BMD index data kindly sent to me from a fellow family researcher. It has not been thoroughly researched and needs to be carefully checked against the relevant birth and death certificates. If you know anything more about this family, please leave a message on the message board.
About Ellen SMITH, née WINDEATT
|If anything illustrates how badly the Horrabridge WINDEATTs
seemed to do on moving from
to smoky, insanitary, London, it is the life of Ellen SMITH. Her
grandfather, John, was by no means well off but his life had improved
from that of a Helier (roofer) in crowded Exeter to a life as a locally
respected Eating House proprietor in the seaside town of West Teignmouth.
For some reason John's eldest son, Robert, moved up to London after finishing his apprenticeship as a jeweller and does not appear to have prospered there. Certainly none of his children followed him into his profession, instead, they all seem to have taken up even more menial jobs.
Ellen, Robert's youngest child by his first wife, married young and by the age of 43, she had had eleven children, five of whom had died.
|Checking on the streets where the family had
lived in the online notebooks from an 1899 survey (see Note
1 below) reveals that the family probably lived in a considerable amount
of poverty and one wonders if the children's deaths are associated with the
deprived conditions described.
Ellen's husband, George Smith, worked mainly as a 'carman' - a group described by one of the surveyors as a "rough low class of carter"
Tracing Ellen and her husband's whereabouts reveals that they moved frequently from place to place around the poverty-stricken area of Southwark. Did they keep getting evicted because the couldn't pay the rent, or were they doing moonlight flits for the same reason?
However, there is a more optimistic end to this story of poverty and death. By 1911, Ellen, her husband and remaining six children had moved away from Southwark to a four-roomed house in Wood Green in the North of the City and we can only hope that conditions considerably improved for them there.
What happened next, I wonder?
Parents and Early Life
There is a GRO index record for Ellen's birth in the September quarter of 1868 [GRO: Camberwell 1d 648] which accords with the 1881 census information given - presumably - by her parents. However, later, in 1891 she reports having been born in Devon. Of course, it is possible she was born in Devon but registered later in London.
- Link to a page about Ellen's parents: Robert Froom WINDEATT and Hellen(Ellen) (née NAYLOR)
- Link to Ellen as a three-year-old in the 1871 census
- Link to Ellen as a thirteen-year-old in the 1881 census
Marriage to George Henry SMITH
Here is a transcription of Ellen's marriage certificate the details of which have been kindly provided by a correspondent:
1888 Marriage solemnized at Emmanuel Church in the Parish of Camberwell in the County of SurreyREAD FIRST
|Date||Name & Surname||Age||Condition||Rank or Profession||Residence at the time of Marriage||Father's Name and Forename||Rank or profession of Father||Witnesses|
|20/5//1888||George Henry SMITH||23||Bachelor||Carman||41 Picton Street||Samuel SMITH (deceased)||Engineer||?Awins BULLINGER's mark X
|Ellen WINDEATT||21||Spinster||ditto||Robert WINDEATT||Jeweller|
From his age on the marriage certificate it would seem that George Henry SMITH was probably born about 1864-5.
After their marriage in 1888, Ellen and Robert soon started a family:
1. George Henry Smith (1889-?)
George Henry's birth was registered in the June quarter of 1889 in the St. Saviour's district of Southwark [1d 124] and he was baptised 17 July 1889 at Christ Church, Southwark, London. Here is a transcription of the Baptismal record:
|July 17th 1889||George Henry||George Henry & Ellen SMITH||Carman||19 William Street*|
|*William Street was surveyed in 1899:
Sketch map opposite from Notebook B363, p116
[see Note 1 below for explanation]
2. Ellen Smith (1890-1891)
Ellen's birth was registered in the September quarter of 1890 in the St. Saviour's district of Southwark [either 1d 132 or 1d 40] and she was baptised at Christ Church, Southwark on 7 Dec 1890 and named after her mother (again, as was traditional). The street still exists (100 yards south of Tate Modern) but the houses were "demolished during the war by enemy action" [See Note 2 below]
|December 7th, 1890||Ellen||George Henry & Ellen SMITH||Carman||56 Zoar St.*|
*Zoar Street was surveyed in 1899:
Zoar St. is poorer : 5 st. Bldgs on S side (lb as map), children dirty, noisier, more bread lying about. well asphalted at NW end, rough poor, gas workers : - Notebook B363, p.123
Zoar St : E end & Hopetown Place belong to a Miss Johnson (leased for illegible) who is in the vestry and carefully looked after : the west end is much poorer and rougher. Of Mrs. Ally they knew nothing. - Notebook B363, p.215
. . . 2 st[storey]: clean : houses tidy : 4½ ft of cement up the outside walls from the ground : evidently carefully looked after : many poor : lb to pur : in map lb : one woman pays 8?- for 4 r[ooms] & washhouse : another who has been 15 in her house and 28 yrs in the street '7/6 for 4 rooms' out of the S side is ---
Hopetown Place. 22 houses : clean windows : flowers : many doors shut, 2 st : '8/- for 4 & wash house' lb to pur : in map lb : W of Canvey St.
1891 Census taken on 5th April © Crown Copyright
Here they are in 1891still living at no. 56 Zoar Street in a dwelling of three rooms. Living in the same house, but listed as a different household is Ann READ, a widow of 55 from Ireland and a former Laundress. We do not know what relationship, if any, she had with the SMITHs.
|George SMITH||Head||M||M||25||Carman||Employed||High Wycombe|
|George SMITH||Son||1||Blackfriars, LondonEl|
|Ellen SMITH||Daug||3 mnths*||Blackfriars, London|
* 3 mnths: Although the census enumerator has written "three months", given the baptismal and registration dates baby Ellen must have been nearer six months
1891 Her baby daughter dies
An Ellen Smith, aged 0, died in the St. Saviour Registration District in the September quarter of 1891, and we think this is baby Ellen.
3. John William Samuel Smith (1892-?)
John William's birth was registered in the third quarter of 1892 [St. Saviour 1d 11] and he was baptised at Christ Church, Southwark 4 September in 1892 and named 'Samuel' after his paternal grandfather;
|September 4th, 1892||John William Samuel||George Henry & Ellen SMITH||Carman||19.O William Street|
John W. S. WINDEATT was listed on the 1901 Census (see below) but he had left home or died before 1911.
1892 Her brother's marriage
Very shortly after John W. S. Smith's birth, Ellen was a witness at her brother Tom's marriage:
Ellen's husband, Henry Smith, and her brother, Tom, were both much the same age and both worked with horses mostly as 'carmen'. It's likely that Ellen got to know her husband through her brother (or perhaps young Tom got his job through Ellen's husband).
4. Tom Smith (1894-?)
Tom's birth was registered in the March quarter of 1894 [Possibly St. Saviour 1d 15] and he was baptised at Christ Church, Southwark 27 May 1894 and called after Ellen's brother, the one who had just got married. Here is a transcription of the baptismal certificate.
|May 27th, 1894||Tom||George Henry & Ellen SMITH||Carman||22 King St., Cornwall Road*|
Image above from p.26, Notebook, B363
?1895 Another baby death
Tom junior does not appear on the 1901 Census and, possibly the Tom Smith who died aged 1 in the December quarter of 1895 is him [St. Saviour, 1d 26].
5. Frederick James Smith (1896-?)
Frederick James was baptised at All Hallows Parish Church, Southwark, 18 February 1896; father was carman and they were living at 35 Charlotte Street (in Southwark but no longer in existence).
|Feb 18th, 1896||Frederick James||George Henry & Ellen SMITH||Carman||35 Charlotte St*|
* Charlotte Street: Charlotte Street was surveyed in 1899 as follows:
Charlotte St : purple on map : at NE end the Surrey Chapel is now a factory of garden implements. - Notebook B363 pp.114-115
3 & 4 st [storey] : old fashioned houses : shops with small window panes : asphalte(sic) paved, Lincoln Biscuits, hat factory on S. side by Nelson Square : less hat business done now in London, fewer top hats worn : purple to pink on map purple. - Notebook B363 p/106a
6. William Alfred Smith (1898-?)
William Alfred was baptised at Christ Church, Southwark 3 April 1898 (possibly the William Alfred whose birth was registered in the Une quarter of 1898 in the St. Saviour Registration District [1d 2]. Here is a transcription of the baptismal certificate from which we can see that they have moved yet again, this time to a dwelling one quarter of a mile east of Waterloo Station).
|April 3, 1898||William Alfred||George Henry & Ellen SMITH||Labourer||58 Surrey Row*|
*Surrey Row: Surrey Row was surveyed in 1899 as follows:
Surrey Row: better than it used to be: very poor only at the NE and NW. - Notebook B363 106a
Surry Row: improved on S side except in centre - but still very bad at NE & NW ends, much drunkenness. Sleep on Nelson Square destroyed by shouts at night, screams of help murder, cries of children etc. especially during hot weather of last few days, when tempers are short & overcrowding becomes unbearable. Some live in the cellars in Surry Row. - Notebook B363 p211
" . . . you can still see women in Surry row with a pot of beer beside them sitting on the doorsteps. No shame felt here at entering a public House" - Notebook B363, p217
7. Charles Smith (1901-?)
The birth of a Charles Smith was registered in the St. Saviour district in the March quarter of 1901 [1d. 117] and this may well be him. He also appears in 1901 census living at 1 Artizan Buildings Block, Southwark.
1901 Census © Crown Copyright
However, the 1901 census reveals that, despite the deaths of several of their children, the Smiths continued to add to their family and they then had five children living with them at 1 Artizan Buildings, Block 1*, West Southwark, London.
It is hard to read but it looks as if they were living in two rooms (i.e. one room and the kitchen) in a tenement with lots of other families [RG13/367/72/26].
|George SMITH||Head||M||35||Labourer **Electric Light||Worker||Bucks, High Wycombe|
|Charles SMITH||Son||S||5 mos||London|
* Artizan Buildings: I haven't been able to find this address on Booth's Survey but it could possibly be the same tenement in Gun Street that they were living in a couple of years later.
**Labourer Electric Light: There is a later insertion between 'Labourer' and 'Electric Light' which looks like "Stet/Slet Appr" - although it is strange for someone to be an apprentice at 35 years of age. Also, whatever, he was doing in 1901, George was back working as a carman in 1903.
8. Henry (Harry) Ernest (1903)
Baptised in the Parish of Saint George the Martyr Southwark in the County of London
|5th March 1902(sic)||April 12, 1898||Henrey(sic) Ernest||George Henrey & Ellen SMITH||Carman||1 Gun Street Dwellings,
Gun Street was surveyed in 1899 and was classified amongst the 'Streets between Friar St and King James St. - poor & vicious' :
The southern half of the road up for re-draining: The N half has been up and very badly re-laid : loose stones & brickbats lying about : the dwellings on either side at the south end are very rough : crowds of children, girls & women, hooligan boys loafing about N of the dwellings are County Council Buildings, Clandon Buildings, etc. - Notebook B363, p.p98-99
Gun Street Buildings at the S end of Gun St are in the worst spot in the area - rough low class of carter & [illegible]; the LCC Buildings have rather a better class in them because rents are more strictly exacted: these are not good Bldgs because they have no back yard. The vestry neglects all these streets & they will probably remain in the state in which you saw them.
Rent in Gun St. are 6/- & 6/6 for two rooms and in one case they have 10 persons in two rooms : but it is useless to report any except very extreme cases of overcrowding. 'The Medical Officeer told us that he should take no notice of any but extreme cases.' - Notebook B363, pp188-189
Booth's survey also includes an "Interview with Sister Louise Mary, at the St Alphege Home, 167 Blackfriars Road concerning Gun Street and Gun Street Dwellings, 14 October 1890" (B74, pp134-158) but unfortunately this has not been digitised and would need to be consulted at the Archive holdings at the LSE.
9. Sarah Ellen Smith (1904-?)
Here is a transcription of her baptism at St George the Martyr, Southwark;
|30 June 1904||July 31st||Sarah Ellen||George Henry & Ellen SMITH||Waterside Labourer||1 Block Gun Street|
10. Jenny Smith (1909-?)
Some time between 1904 and 1909, Ellen and Tom moved quite far north of the river to Wood Green. They also had another child, Jenny, in 1909 and possibly had a further child between the births of Sarah and Jenny who also died.
Jenny is probably the daughter whose birth was registered at Edmonton District Register Office [3a 515] on the June quarter of 1909. She appears in the 1911 census aged 2.
1911 (taken 2nd April ) © Crown Copyright
Here is the family in 1911 and from which we can see that they had been married 23 years during which period they had had eleven children, five of whom had died (George?, Ellen, John?, Tom and a.n.other).
They are now living at 23 Western Road, Wood Green in a four-roomed dwelling.
|Name||Rel||Age||Status||Occupation||Industry||Employer?||At home?||Where Born|
|Henry SMITH||Head||45||Married||Carman||General Contractor||High Wycombe|
|Charlies (sic) SMITH||Son||11||School||School||Blackfriars|
|Jenny SMITH||Daughter||2||-||Wood Green|
Death & Descendants
We don't know when Ellen died nor if she has any surviving descendants. Please get in touch if you can add to or amend any of this information by leaving a message on the Message Board.
Charles Booth's survey into life and labour in London (1886-1903) is unusual in that the original notes and data have survived and a few of these are now available online in the form of digitised police notebooks that list the observations made on walks that the surveyors took with police officers familiar with local streets.
From: 'Zoar Street and Zoar Street Chapel', Survey of London: volume 22: Bankside (the parishes of St. Saviour and Christchurch Southwark) (1950), pp. 93. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=65329&strquery=zoar street Date accessed: 05 March 2010.
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Last updated: March 2010